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that would seem to back up a republican theme in the fiscal cliff argument. >> if we raise taxes on the top two rate, a million small businesses who employ 25% of the work force it will cost us over 700,000 jobs and reduce economic growth, lower take home pay and those things. that is a bad scenario. >> the league negotiator on the republican side of the table facing mr. obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that the country is facing. >> even the president got the tax rate hike he wanted understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem, not a re-knew problem. >> for many top democrats it's all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between 39.6% and the 28% at that the president has for limitation on deduction creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative financial commentator suggests the likely outcome o
that would seem to back up a republican theme in the fiscal cliff argument. >> if we raise taxes on the top two rate, a million small businesses who employ 25% of the work force it will cost us over 700,000 jobs and reduce economic growth, lower take home pay and those things. that is a bad scenario. >> the league negotiator on the republican side of the table facing mr. obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that...
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and 53% say they trust president obama to avoid the fiscal cliff. compared to just 36% who trust republicans in congress. also today speaker boehner said he wouldn't rule out an agreement to raise taxes as part of a fiscal cliff deal. but he also said there's no progress. this is what winning looks like. joining me now, e.j. dionne and thank you both for your time. senator solis, the jobless rate is at a four-year low. that's quite an achievement. >> yes, reverend re. but we still need to do more. in sectors like retail and health care and tourism and hospitality. we need to do more because people are still suffering. we've got to put jobs back in infrastructure and construction and put our teachers. that's why the president is working so hard so we don't go off the fiscal cliff so we keep the most vulnerable people out of harm's way. to pay $2,200. we've got to talk about fairness here and i'm very excited that the public is listening to the message that the president has made very, very clear. >> 146,000 new private sector jobs last month but one
and 53% say they trust president obama to avoid the fiscal cliff. compared to just 36% who trust republicans in congress. also today speaker boehner said he wouldn't rule out an agreement to raise taxes as part of a fiscal cliff deal. but he also said there's no progress. this is what winning looks like. joining me now, e.j. dionne and thank you both for your time. senator solis, the jobless rate is at a four-year low. that's quite an achievement. >> yes, reverend re. but we still need to...
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tonight no progress on the fiscal cliff as democrats and republicans trade barbs over the issue. one group of americans is finding a way through this regardless of congress and the president. small-business owners in this country are preparing to hire. join me now, chief u.s. economist for i may just pull one side. heart of america group founder, and member of the jobs creation alliance and actual job creators in this country who say their voices not being heard in this office took with debate. also with us from the weekly standard, steven haze. welcome. great to have you here. i want to start with the conversation in washington and what the speaker had to say about the status of the fiscal here is mr. boehner. >> this is in the progress report because there is no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do you say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're ac
tonight no progress on the fiscal cliff as democrats and republicans trade barbs over the issue. one group of americans is finding a way through this regardless of congress and the president. small-business owners in this country are preparing to hire. join me now, chief u.s. economist for i may just pull one side. heart of america group founder, and member of the jobs creation alliance and actual job creators in this country who say their voices not being heard in this office took with debate....
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struggle to avert the fiscal cliff. i'm judy woodruff. >> brown: and i'm jeffrey brown. "washington week" can be seen later this evening on most pbs stations. we'll see you online and again here monday evening. have a nice weekend. thank you and good night. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: ♪ ♪ moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy productive life. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> this is "bbc world news america." funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu, newman's own found
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another week lost in the race to stop the country from going over the fiscal cliff. what the speaker didn't say in a news conference today could potentially be very significant. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. >> reporter: reckless was the strong word the speaker used to describe timothy geithner's statement that he is willing to go over the cliff if republicans don't give on tax rates for the wealthy. i am told by a congressional source familiar with the talks they only had four, four staff level negotiations on the issue of the fiscal cliff, and that's why the speaker says the president is slow walking the issue. the house speaker ended the week with a progress report. none. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> reporter: he and the president spoke by phone only once all week and it didn't produce much. >> just more of the same. it is time for the president if he's serious to come back with a counteroffer. >> reporter: what may have been
another week lost in the race to stop the country from going over the fiscal cliff. what the speaker didn't say in a news conference today could potentially be very significant. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. >> reporter: reckless was the strong word the speaker used to describe timothy geithner's statement that he is willing to go over the cliff if republicans don't give on tax rates for the wealthy. i am told by a congressional source familiar with the...
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. >> 53 percent would blame republicans if we go over the cliff. only 29 percent would blame the president. >> if you cannot get over you go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up for everyone. >> if there is in deal do you blame the republicans for ruining christmas? >>governor huckabee: the grinch that stole christmas they are called republicans. the media will spend this as the republicans will not come to the table but the republicans came to the table. they brought out $800 billion of taxes. what did they get in nothing. they got balloon juice because the democrats said here is the deal. we will thing about some cuts. we are not sure when or how much or where but we will get back to you. you go lady and raise the taxes. people if the republican party can tut go for that although they will get blamed for the disaster and the train wreck this is coming. >>neil: i tell people to look at coverage and say, did you wonder why republicans are obstinate wanting to hike taxes more, but, democrats are not when they don't want to cut spending? i say you g
. >> 53 percent would blame republicans if we go over the cliff. only 29 percent would blame the president. >> if you cannot get over you go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up for everyone. >> if there is in deal do you blame the republicans for ruining christmas? >>governor huckabee: the grinch that stole christmas they are called republicans. the media will spend this as the republicans will not come to the table but the republicans came to the table. they brought...
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senator alan simpson a republican and former white house chief of staff for president clinton erskine bowles the democrats came up with a possible solution what they came up with is this it's known as the to those outside of the beltway as the simpson bowles of the bowles simpson is plan whichever way you want to see it and despite falling short of passing it often took center stage and talks about the economy for the most part of the for the most of this year especially during the presidential campaign governor what about simpson bowles support simpson bowles simpson bowles the president should grab that i mean do you support some symbol i have my own plan it's not the same as simpson bowles but in my view the president should have grabbed it if you want to make some adjustments to it take it go to congress fight for it that's what we've done made some adjustments to it and we're putting it forward before congress right now but even though most have now heard of the plan very few people actually know what's in it our chief political correspondent christy infrasound looks through the
senator alan simpson a republican and former white house chief of staff for president clinton erskine bowles the democrats came up with a possible solution what they came up with is this it's known as the to those outside of the beltway as the simpson bowles of the bowles simpson is plan whichever way you want to see it and despite falling short of passing it often took center stage and talks about the economy for the most part of the for the most of this year especially during the presidential...
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and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially raising taxes on 98% of americans either through some kind of crazy deduction plan or just letting the bush tax cuts go, that can have a very, very severe effect on the economy. >> as usual dr. peterson makes a superb point. president clinton used to say if you want to live like a republican,
and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle...
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the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road where they have more leverage. president obama was asked about that earlier this week and said he doesn't want to play the debt ceiling game anymore. that's where republicans have more leverage than then do on other matters. >> all right. senior political editor mark murray, have a great weekend, sir. >> i want to bring in congressman peter welch from vermont. good to see you again. talked to you last weekend on msnbc. at that point you told me that you thought there was a 50/50 shot we'd go off the so-called fiscal cliff. today speaker boehner said talks we
the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road...
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it is that extension, beyond six months, that we are talking about with the fiscal cliff talks. host: that is what might be cut? guest: that is what automatically expires. president obama said as part of the deal i want to make, those benefits should continue. republicans have not taken a firm stand, but we have seen in the past that obama has had it a deal on taxes to get the benefits extended. host: what specific benefits to these programs provide? guest: usually some kind of cash benefit, help you search for a job. it is about $300 per week. sometimes it varies by state. host: and how are the programs funded? guest: by payroll taxes. you pay payroll taxes to the state and federal government. it does to a federal trust, and state administers the program and the money goes to the unemployed. host: talk about qualification for unemployment insurance. what do people have to me to apply, how are they selected? at guest: generally, you have to have a year of earnings over a certain threshold and you have to be let go from a job. the way the structure works, it is hard to say if you
it is that extension, beyond six months, that we are talking about with the fiscal cliff talks. host: that is what might be cut? guest: that is what automatically expires. president obama said as part of the deal i want to make, those benefits should continue. republicans have not taken a firm stand, but we have seen in the past that obama has had it a deal on taxes to get the benefits extended. host: what specific benefits to these programs provide? guest: usually some kind of cash benefit,...
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if we go over the fiscal cliff. they have leverage from the campaign. that's the directionion -- speaker boehner today kept the door open to raising rates on the wealthy as part of a negotiating plan. >> at the white house, what are you hearing as to how much flexibility the president thinks he has? >> it's interesting. i had an interesting conversation yesterday with senator sheldon, white house democrat from rhode island, on the senate budget committee, he said look if we go through january 1st without a deal, it's not the end of the world. it will be the end of the world if they never get resolved. if they don't get resolved until mid january or february we'll be okay. from the white house and democrats we want a deal but not afraid to go past this deadline without a deal as susan said, they know they have the upper hand and waiting for republicans to bend. >> you've been looking at this from the per spective the wise men who used to be in leadership and take a look at what happened you wrote about mitch mcconnel
if we go over the fiscal cliff. they have leverage from the campaign. that's the directionion -- speaker boehner today kept the door open to raising rates on the wealthy as part of a negotiating plan. >> at the white house, what are you hearing as to how much flexibility the president thinks he has? >> it's interesting. i had an interesting conversation yesterday with senator sheldon, white house democrat from rhode island, on the senate budget committee, he said look if we go...
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alisyn: the fiscal cliff in particular. >> we got to the fiscal cliff because you had a bunch of republicans who wanted not to work with this president. now you've got republicans all of a sudden saying they are not going to take tax pledges like grover more question is wants, they are open to revenue enhancement. if they had said that two years ago or one year ago moody's wouldn't have lowered the pwhopbd ratinbond rating of the united states. they've created such uncertainty. alisyn: now that we are at the 11th hour where do you think we are now. >> i know that alan hasn't had a lot of private conversations with republican lawmakers, but take it from somebody who has. >> you don't know. >> these guys feel he will feel stymied, frustrated. they are not in the door. it's not even about compromising, that isn't even the right word. open the door, let's sit down and try to bargain and negotiate. he doesn't do that. alisyn: moving back to what the singer from the fray say. wouldn't it help for the president to invite the republicans instead of this adversarial conference room table, why not go
alisyn: the fiscal cliff in particular. >> we got to the fiscal cliff because you had a bunch of republicans who wanted not to work with this president. now you've got republicans all of a sudden saying they are not going to take tax pledges like grover more question is wants, they are open to revenue enhancement. if they had said that two years ago or one year ago moody's wouldn't have lowered the pwhopbd ratinbond rating of the united states. they've created such uncertainty. alisyn:...
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cliff. they will not be focused until you see the market sell off. the market believes there will be a deal. until the market trade-off -- adam: we have a guest who will be talking about that a little later on as we get closer to the end of the year. the investigation is still underway. charlie: when you see the market trade-off you watch people freak out. interesting thing about steve cohen, there is no more remarkable trader out there than this guy. say what you want to about him. if you look at his returns, i think he started in 92, one down here. he is up this year, so far, 10%. that is why the feds are after him. i have been speaking to a lot of people with the fpi. long-term returns, consistent and less volatility. what they do, generally, they look at returns, pretty much steady returns, not a lot of volatility. you look at steve collins return, one down year. you look at warren buffett. he destroys profits over that period of time. buffett has more volatility and returns. steve cohen
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cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. >> but tyler, as you suggested, this is all a work in progress. the thing we cannot see that is not visible to the public or to the press is what's going on behind the scenes. staff discussions resumed yesterday. don't know how fruitful. i haven't gotten much of a signal from people on either side that a deal is close, but they're work rg at it and sometimes these situations can turn around quickly. >> john, what of the reports today that perhaps at some point the republicans in the house and in the senate would go along with the idea of extending the bush era tax cuts for the under-250 cohort of taxpayers, but let the rest of the thing just go off the cliff? is that a possibility here?
cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. >> but tyler, as you suggested, this is all a work in progress. the thing...
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do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff oh absolutely. absolutely but when it comes to the u.s. is economic problems does this tax debate or even this fiscal cliff debate begin to scratch the surface of the crisis all former republican strategist author and historian kevin phillips is here with lessons we can learn from seventeen seventy five the subject of his latest book that many a politician may benefit from actually reading. from a long time in politics you know i don't do it anymore but boys mark thirty do not read history book. and the as these the is reportedly investigating going to be providing twelve billion dollars in derivatives trading losses in two thousand and eight yeah yeah there's a list of alleged bad bank behavior how. it is good capitalism though being driven out by bad capitalism all will break it down and word of the day plus alan greenspan says a painless solution to the u.s. debt is a fantasy plan finally something we can agree on more in loose change let's get to today's capital account. our guest kevin phillips
do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff oh absolutely. absolutely but when it comes to the u.s. is economic problems does this tax debate or even this fiscal cliff debate begin to scratch the surface of the crisis all former republican strategist author and historian kevin phillips is here with lessons we can learn from seventeen seventy five the subject of his latest book that many a politician may benefit from actually reading. from a long time in...
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cliff. also, don't forget to explore the history and literary culture of new york capital city of albany this weekend. book tv is on c-span2 and american history to be on c-span three. >> coming up at 7:00 c-span will be lot of discussion unskilled immigrants. virginia senator mark warner is sponsoring a bill to allow more highly skilled veterans and to the u.s. >> we have had these this the five explosions of knowledge in madison, but we have not coordinated care. all the services that we have end up having some any cracks that the cracks are as harmful as the diseases that we are treating. we have to step back and ask, you know, are we hurting people overall? and income on a global level where we doing some times? and, of course, now we have to these reports saying 30 percent of everything we do may not be necessary in after. we will be step back, 30 percent of all the medications we prescribe, the tests we order, the procedures. this is something, i think, which is for the first time real
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. >> bottom line, feels like the job market is holding firm in the face of sandy and fiscal cliff concerns, so that's good news. >> surprising exactly no one, the white house and republicans had different spin on the numbers. >> if congress does address the problems that it needs to address, concerning the fiscal cliff, if we have reasonable resolution type of programs that the president has been proposing to support the economy in the short run, get us on a sustainable fiscal path in the long run, protect the middle class we're going to see progress in this economy. >> the risk the president wants us to take increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60 to 70% of the new jobs in our country. that's the whole issue here. >> on the fiscal cliff front, no new deals or concessions made public, but "the new york times" reports the dynamic has changed. at the request of speaker boehner, senate leaders and nancy pelosi have been dismissed from the negotiating table. leaving just the speaker and the president to hammer this one out. today vice president biden is hosting midd
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cliff -- he is saying it was huberous -- >> stephanie: because no president in the history of the republicans has ever gone on vacation. >> oh no. he has just come through a campaign and i haven't heard of him taking the 15 vacations that w took and everything -- it's just unbelievable that he could actually bring that out -- >> stephanie: that was different. >> caller: it's like there is nothing he can do. the ball is in the republican's court now. >> stephanie: that's right. but george bush was clearing brush, and he was working hard. >> it's hard work. now watch this. [ mocking laughter ] >> stephanie: i always felt bad for the secret service agents who's job was to put brush down -- >> here we go. >> stephanie: forty-five minutes after the hour -- [overlapping speakers] >> stephanie: no you have the wrong kind of brush in here. >> stephanie: forty-five minutes after the hour right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: dammit jim, you made me snarf on my keyboard again. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ >> wow! i've never seen anything like this. >> when disaster strikes s
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republican establishment for many decades, but now even more recently on the fiscal cliff, they seem to be willing to go down that road of big government, big spending, no spending restraints, higher taxes. that is not what the republican party has ever been about. now enough republicans have gone down that road where we're in this mess now but what demint is saying look as conservatives we have to start talking about and fighting for first principles. that is the constitution, limited government, fiscal responsibility economic freedom. republican establishment is not clearly making that case. it is now up to conservatives to do that. demint will be leading charge. jon: he is the hero of the tea party which did so much damage to liberals in the 2010 election. >> done so much damage to themselves. harry reid would all agree would not be in the senate if not for the tea party nominating sharron angle, not not a strong candidate. delaware, todd aiken in missouri. tea party done a lot of damage to republican party. you would probably have senate republican leader mitch mcconnell if not f
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they need to move forward and deal with this fiscal cliff and then we can come back in 2013 and deal with some of these other issues. >> some of us would like to know what is being between president obama. there is analysis in the political playbook, both what they are thinking and won't say to each other when it comes to the fiscal cliff. if you want concessions, you need to man up and ask for them, which you haven't done. and then there's what speaker boehner might be thinking but not saying and you can't play hard and if you just walk with races. when you look at that, what do you think? >> probably. he usually does. but i haven't seen anything real to tell me that we're not going over the fiscal cliff and if we're doing that, according to all of the polling, it's going to be harder on republicans in terms of the public opinion than it is on democrats. you would think that that would give him another reason to get serious about this. i just think if the argument boils down to protecting that top 2% from having any kind of, you know, souped up responsibility on the tax side and on
they need to move forward and deal with this fiscal cliff and then we can come back in 2013 and deal with some of these other issues. >> some of us would like to know what is being between president obama. there is analysis in the political playbook, both what they are thinking and won't say to each other when it comes to the fiscal cliff. if you want concessions, you need to man up and ask for them, which you haven't done. and then there's what speaker boehner might be thinking but not...
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. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked about two things, though. one, as you say, is about certainty and they say that businesses need that certainty to start hiring but they've also warned that if tax rates go up on the wealthy that would have have a negative impact. >> i think republican orthodoxy is bad. if you raise taxes on the wealthy, absolutely, it's going to drag on growth a bit. but the hope is among the analysts is that the positive impact of getting certainty and beyond just certainty, seeing that washington can avoid a debt limit fight, that might help boost confidence that would be very conducive to job creation. >> you bring up a
. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked...
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fiscal cliff. mike, i want to start with you. it does seem as if there are three groups of republican thought, right? you have the conservatives saying, you know, don't relent on this. upset jim demint was critical of john boehner the day before he left the senate saying i can't believe you agreed 0 to any tax relief, where the house is trying to configure something that keeps them safe and then you have the governors. you've had others. christie thinks the same thing, this is ridiculous. don't do this to the republican party brand. just cut this deal. don't be so stubborn on these high-end tax rates. is that the way you see it? >> i think the elections have cons 0 againsts and the electorate has chosen divided government. they expect compromise and expect it from both sides. i don't think republicans should move on tax increases without significant movement on entitlements. >> you want to get something in return but go ahead and offer it. and right now they're not offering it. >> in order to get something done, people expect to
fiscal cliff. mike, i want to start with you. it does seem as if there are three groups of republican thought, right? you have the conservatives saying, you know, don't relent on this. upset jim demint was critical of john boehner the day before he left the senate saying i can't believe you agreed 0 to any tax relief, where the house is trying to configure something that keeps them safe and then you have the governors. you've had others. christie thinks the same thing, this is ridiculous. don't...
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. >> we've all heard about this fiscal cliff. that's the convergence of higher tax rates and, of course, all the spending. >> both parties, democrats and the republicans need to come together. >> the our three branches of government, and congress, and the president are equal. and pretty much neither one has the right position for the country. >> i know that america is going to be a great country again. and that will fix the problems we have at home, and bring together the two parties that are dividing the country, and fighting for different things. i know that this is going to happen. >> we're only going to get out of this together. we're not going to get out of it as a democrat. we're not going to get out of it as republican. we're going to get out of it as an american. >> thank you, ed. thank you, joan. we're going to get on with a program right now. let the introduce the moderator of that program, ron brownstein. on its editorial director of the "national journal," which means he oversees all the little coverage coming out of
. >> we've all heard about this fiscal cliff. that's the convergence of higher tax rates and, of course, all the spending. >> both parties, democrats and the republicans need to come together. >> the our three branches of government, and congress, and the president are equal. and pretty much neither one has the right position for the country. >> i know that america is going to be a great country again. and that will fix the problems we have at home, and bring together...
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if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. it's only 2%. >> dr. krueger, as the man who is maybe more than anyone the steward of the economy itself, are you okay with that? >> absolutely. the president made clear during the election that he wants a balanced approach, that we can't afford the tax cuts for the most fortunate among us. that the way to provide opportunity and build the middle class in this country is to get on a fiscally sustainable path and to ask wealthiest to pay a little bit more. president couldn't have been clearer about that. >> at cnbc we have a campaign called rise above. and the essence of rise above campaign is there should be more spirit of compromise. there was no compromise from treasury secretary geithner in that interview. would you wear a rise above pin and would you rise above? >> i think the secretary, the president, have drawn very few red lines here. th
if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. it's only 2%. >> dr. krueger, as the man who is maybe more than anyone the steward of the economy itself, are you okay with that? >> absolutely. the president made clear during the election that he wants a balanced approach, that we can't...
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in order to avoid going over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, yeah, i would be. you know, i think it is remarkable that right after the election we get this thing that comes right up in our faces that basically outlines in bold relief the differences in the two ideas about how we go forward in this country. it is really excellent timing, and we may have to go over the cliff, if it is forced into it. but this idea that you bring down the cost of medicare by making it available to more people is a terrible idea of mr. boehner's. the idea -- i would be terribly upset, along with many of my friends, if obama compromised too much on what needs to happen that is called the fiscal cliff. >> do you think a prominent third-party web help our country? >> i felt strongly about that when i supported john anderson in 1979. he was -- a large part of anderson's campaign was to sue the state ballot procedure into allowing third parties to have more access to the electoral process. i would like to see a third party available, but that, too, seems like a r
in order to avoid going over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, yeah, i would be. you know, i think it is remarkable that right after the election we get this thing that comes right up in our faces that basically outlines in bold relief the differences in the two ideas about how we go forward in this country. it is really excellent timing, and we may have to go over the cliff, if it is forced into it. but this idea that you bring down the cost of medicare by making it available to more people is a...
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republicans and democrats are talking, no breakthrough locked in a stalemate. president obama demanding higher tax rates for the wealthy and permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he showed what is he is after is assuming unprecedented power without limit. >> reporter: republicans say they will only raise tax revenue in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal one casualty would be the end of compensation for long term unemployed, people like melinda worried. >> christmas and things of that nature probably off the table. >> reporter: aides met yesterday but no signs of progress. tahman bradley, abc7 news. >>> if you park at a bart station while riding the trains get ready for potential hike in fees by 50 cents twice a year at high volume lots. it would cap the increases to $3 a day. currently commuters shell out a dollar. west oakland costs five. bart makes 15 million dollars a year in parking fees, an increase could mean extra five million dollars annually. >>> muni offering riders a holiday gift, free rides onl
republicans and democrats are talking, no breakthrough locked in a stalemate. president obama demanding higher tax rates for the wealthy and permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he showed what is he is after is assuming unprecedented power without limit. >> reporter: republicans say they will only raise tax revenue in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal one casualty would be the end of compensation for long term unemployed,...
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in this country president obama says cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could to be done in a week but the president said that won't happen unless republicans drop their opposition to hire taxes for the wealthy. president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this morning's jobs report. what role did sandy play in last month's hiring. this is the morning news. port. what role did sandy play in hiring? ♪ [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the u.s. postal service the holidays are easy. visit usps.com. pay, print, and have it picked up for free before december 20h for delivery in time for the holidays. you can even give us special instructions on wher
in this country president obama says cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could to be done in a week but the president said that won't happen unless republicans drop their opposition to hire taxes for the wealthy. president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can...
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but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an immaterial pact. some economists believe that 200,000 fewer jobs thhave been created this year, due to uncertainty about the fiscal cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out any limit at all. >> reporter: republicans who say they're open to raising tax revenue say they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal, one casualty will be compensation for the long-term unemployed. that means people like linda vega, are worried. >> christmas and things of that nature are probably off the table. >> reporter: aides to president obama and speaker boehner met yesterday afternoon. but that meeting end
but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an immaterial pact. some economists believe that 200,000 fewer jobs thhave been created this year, due to uncertainty about the fiscal cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the...
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this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around and said, let's see if we can do it with a simple majority for 51 votes and democrats it appeared had made sure they had that and then mitch mcconnell in return ended up objecting to the very thing he propose eed. take a listen. >> now the republican leader objects his own idea. i guess we have a filibuster of his own bill. >> so this was some maneuvering that went on. mitch mcconnell won the day when he proposed a vote overall on the entire fiscal cliff proposal and harry reid objected to it. it's a little bit of a back and forth going on in the midst of these talks that are now reopened. >> you can't filibuster your own bill. that makes no sense. >> apparently you can. >> thank god it's friday. thank you. we appreciate the update. >>> other stories making news that are not all crazy. >>
this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around and said, let's see if we can do it with a simple majority for 51 votes and democrats it appeared had made sure they had that and then mitch mcconnell in return ended up objecting to the very thing he...
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i hope we do go over the fiscal glove. the reason being, -- go over the fiscal cliff. the reason being, all bush era tax cuts will expire. the senate has already passed the bill for the middle class tax cuts to continue. let the republicans in the house go ahead and fight for the 2% when all of the -- when all will go into effect. take the senate's version. i think they have been sitting on it for eight months in the house. i think it is terrible to treat the american people that way. being from michigan, we are going through a real challenge here from our hitler governor that you have seen in the news. he wants to take us to a right to work state. we all know what happens. wages go down, no benefits. you work and work and work to make the owner rich and the worker sufferers. -- i do think we need to go over the fiscal cliff. host: here is the story from the "new york times" today. we are talking about the fiscal cliff negotiations and whether compromise or sticking to principles should be what members of congress and the president should do here. a couple of weets thi
i hope we do go over the fiscal glove. the reason being, -- go over the fiscal cliff. the reason being, all bush era tax cuts will expire. the senate has already passed the bill for the middle class tax cuts to continue. let the republicans in the house go ahead and fight for the 2% when all of the -- when all will go into effect. take the senate's version. i think they have been sitting on it for eight months in the house. i think it is terrible to treat the american people that way. being...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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he can cut a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. there has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like connecticut and california. the republicans may still blow it. if president obama is flexible and they don't meet him part way, republicans would contribute to a recession that would discredit them for a decade. but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first steps, and encouraging ones. >> really encouraging. and it's not just what they're saying. it's how they're saying it. eric cantor came on. we've all, i think at times, even i as a conservative, who would vote probably along with eric cantor 99% of the time. saw him at times over the past couple years being a bit more obstructionist than i think was good for the party. i thought i loved his tone the other day. what did he focus on? he focused on jobs, on proving that conservatism actually helped all americans, not 53%, not 47%. and yesterday w
he can cut a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. there has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like connecticut and california. the republicans may still blow it. if president obama is flexible and they don't meet him part way, republicans would contribute to a recession that would discredit them for a decade. but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first...
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later this morning we will find out the impact the fiscal cliff debate and superstore and sandy had on the job market. today's america's money report. topping america's money -- today'she release of all-important november jobs t was note forecas good. e devastation by hurricane sandy had long been expected to disappointing number hires. but investors may shrug off the impact is temporary. college students in the federal loan repayment program are getting help. that is more affordable and favorable to .rouwer's goes into effect l invest $100 million production from some mac computers from china to the u.s. and brazil sells one more marathon. the first -- for the first time macy's stores will open 48 hours straight the giving before christmas, shoppers extra time lift the macy's holiday sales. have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream about thatteak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign
later this morning we will find out the impact the fiscal cliff debate and superstore and sandy had on the job market. today's america's money report. topping america's money -- today'she release of all-important november jobs t was note forecas good. e devastation by hurricane sandy had long been expected to disappointing number hires. but investors may shrug off the impact is temporary. college students in the federal loan repayment program are getting help. that is more affordable and...
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our country from going off the fiscal cliff." senator republican colleaaues would &plike to seeebudget cuts....or the massive storm clean-up. preporter: "without offsets ii it going to have trouble getting ppssed do you think in this current climate?") "i think it might, i think it might,,you can't predict that." the uncertain fate of thh relief money comes little more thhn a month afterrthat jaw-dropping pre-ellction image of christie and the president... shoulder to shoulder... a time when r. victims... quickly. "i wann you to cut ttrough red tape. i want you to ut through bureaucracy. here's no excuse for inaction at this point." the white houue says the president remains committed. "there is no question as the president saw when he was on staten issand that there is enormoos suffering that pootinues and that's why we are worring closell with psates and localities to continue the effort to assist &pin the recovery." "a top congressional aide tells cnn the administration's prooosal. and a white house official tells cnn... the w
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one of the biggest sticking points between democrats and republicans over averting the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. look at this from quinnipiac university, the question was asked are you okay with that? 65% say they support such a move to avert the fiscal cliff. this is the third poll over the last two weeks to show the same thing, that most americans are okay with raising those taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year. go to the next screen, there's a partisan divide here. this explains why most republicans are dead set against this. democrats are fine with that move. independents as well. but only a minority of republicans are okay with raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. what don't republicans like? they are fine with cutting spending, but they don't want entitlements touched. are you okay with raising the eligibility for medicare going up from 65 to 67? 51% opposed that. >> big news yesterday coming out yesterday from senator deminut. >> this will give me the opportunity to help take our case to the american people and to transla
one of the biggest sticking points between democrats and republicans over averting the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. look at this from quinnipiac university, the question was asked are you okay with that? 65% say they support such a move to avert the fiscal cliff. this is the third poll over the last two weeks to show the same thing, that most americans are okay with raising those taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year. go to the next screen, there's a...
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they're now blaming each other for stalling talks that could send us off a fiscal cliff. in a surprise visit to a falls church family, the president emphasized he will refuse to sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the wealthy but republicans say that's a deal breaker. his stance they say proves the president is not interested in striking a balanced deal, simp in spending more and raising the debt ceiling. but the president says his main concern is certainly the middle- class families of america. he does not want to burden them with the potential $2,000 a year hike in taxes. meanwhile, republican senator jim demint of south carolina among all -- in the midst of all the fiscal cliff talks and the pressure that's mounting here on capitol hill, well, the senator resigned the senate yesterday. he said he's going to head a conservative think tank claiming he can do more there than he can do here in congress. we'll have another report in a half-hour. back to you. >> delia goncalves with that june date from capitol hill. >>> local lawmakers are talking to 9news about the fis
they're now blaming each other for stalling talks that could send us off a fiscal cliff. in a surprise visit to a falls church family, the president emphasized he will refuse to sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the wealthy but republicans say that's a deal breaker. his stance they say proves the president is not interested in striking a balanced deal, simp in spending more and raising the debt ceiling. but the president says his main concern is certainly the middle- class families of...
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avoid the fiscal cliff. both sides now have less than four weeks to prevent steep tax hikes and spending cuts from taking effect. nbc's tracie potts is live on capitol hill with more. >> reporter: good morning. what could push that along is this morning's release of jobs numbers, telling how many people got jobs in november. it's not expected to change much. nationally we're at 7.9%, which is worth note ing is a lot high than the 5.1% here in the d.c. area. unemployment, if it continues to be stagnant, could force lawmakers to take a look at how close they want to get to that fiscal cliff, especially at this time of year. >> it's very important that we get this done now, that we don't wait. we're in the midst of the christmas season. the closer it gets to the brink, the more stressed they're going to be. businesses are making decisions right now about investment and hiring. if they don't have confidence week get this thing done, they're going to start pulling back, and we could have a rocky time in our econo
avoid the fiscal cliff. both sides now have less than four weeks to prevent steep tax hikes and spending cuts from taking effect. nbc's tracie potts is live on capitol hill with more. >> reporter: good morning. what could push that along is this morning's release of jobs numbers, telling how many people got jobs in november. it's not expected to change much. nationally we're at 7.9%, which is worth note ing is a lot high than the 5.1% here in the d.c. area. unemployment, if it continues...
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superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. economists predict that perhaps 200,000 jobs that you're -- 200,000 fewer jobs were created this year because of worries over the pasqual. republicans and democrats are talking again, but still no breakthrough. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he shows what he is really after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars. >> republicans who said they are open to raising tax revenue said they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if no deal happens one casualty would be long-term unemployment help. >> christmas would be off the table. >> aides to speaker boehner and president obama met yesterday. >> we are finding out what folks in the d.c. area think about this club battle. a new poll shows that 57% of respondents believed that the president and congress will reach a deal. 78% found that both sides should compromise. >> and outspoken member of the tea party
superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. economists predict that perhaps 200,000 jobs that you're -- 200,000 fewer jobs were created this year because of worries over the pasqual. republicans and democrats are talking again, but still no breakthrough. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he shows what he is really after is...
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. >> 4:49 right now. 29 days before we reach the fiscal cliff. republicans and democrats are locked in a war of words. negotiators are meeting behind closed doors to hash out a deal. president obama tried to put more pressure on republicans on thursday. he visited a family in virginia to highlight the impact of government spending cuts on the middle class. >> because democrats and republicans are not coming together to solve this problem -- >> republicans say they will support raising revenue by closing loopholes. >> therightward legislation. -- has pushed forward a right to work legislation. union activists shouted during the debate. several were arrested. the legislation prevents unions and from collecting fees from non-union workers. michigan's governor said he will sign the bill. >> 4:51 right now. up next, a new role for >> 4:53. let's take a look at weather. clacks good morning. we have a damp start to some areas. not much in the district, to the southeast. this is all very light. a little bit of paint showing at the mason dixon line. a lit
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a fiscal cliff crisis. >> right. they perspectively -- they perspectively blame republicans for it and in part from folks like demint. dave weigel for "slate" and msnbc contributor. thank you for being here tonight, my friend. >> thank you. >>> lame duck session means different things in different parts of the country. in one state, lame duck means shockingly bold action by the government. a lot of people calling it lame and other people ducking. it's big news and a serious conflict in the state of michigan. and one wedding, 2 kids, 43 bottles of olay total effects and many birthdays later, still looks amazing. thanks to the trusted performance of olay. or treat gas with these after you get it. now that's like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. oh, somebody out there's saying, now i get it! take beano before and there'll be no gas. >>> still ahead, red lobster, olive garden, and the affordable care act. the trifecta america has been waiting for and it includes breadsticks. >>> there was a group of protesters wh
a fiscal cliff crisis. >> right. they perspectively -- they perspectively blame republicans for it and in part from folks like demint. dave weigel for "slate" and msnbc contributor. thank you for being here tonight, my friend. >> thank you. >>> lame duck session means different things in different parts of the country. in one state, lame duck means shockingly bold action by the government. a lot of people calling it lame and other people ducking. it's big news and...
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cliff. the only hopeful sign is that republicans and democrats are talking privately again. but they haven't worked out any of the big issues, including what to do about the nation's debt limit. washington will hit its borrowing limit early next year, darren gersh has the latest. >> reporter: sitting around the kitchen table with a middle class family in virginia, the president once again pressed for congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if this family has a couple of thousand dollars less to spend, that translates into $200 billion of less consumer spending next year. and that's bad for businesses, large and small. >> reporter: behind the scenes, the two sides are talking again. but there was no progress in public. senators today fought over the debt limit, and ended up deadlocked over a bill to allow the president to automatically increase borrowing. >> he's shown what he is really after is unprecedented powers to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit at all. >> reporter: if the debt l
cliff. the only hopeful sign is that republicans and democrats are talking privately again. but they haven't worked out any of the big issues, including what to do about the nation's debt limit. washington will hit its borrowing limit early next year, darren gersh has the latest. >> reporter: sitting around the kitchen table with a middle class family in virginia, the president once again pressed for congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if this family has a couple of thousand...
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cliff. at the home of what the white house called a typical middle class family, mr. obama said he's optimistic that agreement can be reached, but again drew a hard line for republicans in congress. >> everybody's is going to have to share in some sacrifice. but it starts with folks who are in the best position to sacrifice. who are in the best position to step up . just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up, the top 2% from going up. >> woodruff: the president phoned house speaker john boehner yesterday, their first direct talk in almost a week. but today white house spokesman jay carney wouldn't share details of the call. >> we believe it's in the interest of achieving an agreement not to do that. >> reporter: treasury secretary timothy geithner said yesterday the white house was absolutely willing to go over the cliff if republicans held firm in their opposition to raising rates on the wealthy. but it was the administration's other
cliff. at the home of what the white house called a typical middle class family, mr. obama said he's optimistic that agreement can be reached, but again drew a hard line for republicans in congress. >> everybody's is going to have to share in some sacrifice. but it starts with folks who are in the best position to sacrifice. who are in the best position to step up . just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up, the top 2% from going...
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president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted effort from the white house is very clear. here's white house press secretary jay carney. >> what will produce a deal is an acknowledgement by republicans, republican leaders, that rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans, have to rise. there is no deal without that acknowledgement, and without a concrete,
president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the...